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I'm arguing with some silly birthers (an exercise in futility, I know). Could someone tell me who performs the vetting process on presidential candidates, and what all does it involve? Google has been useless!
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Fox, there is no vetting process, there is simply ballot access. Obama asked to be put on the primary ballots in several states (others had caucuses) and the states' Secretaries of State let him on.

This is why Orley Taites wanted to be Secretary of State of California. She wanted to deny him access to the ballot. Not that it would have mattered. The Democratic party would have run a slate of delegates (that's who you are really voting for in a Presidential Election) who would in the end give their votes to Obama.

Note that the State of Hawaii TOLD every one of those other states he was valid, and relying on the "Full Faith and Credit" clause of the Constitution, they took Hawaii at their word.
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Yes, seriously.

You might point out to your birther friends that according to the Constitution, they have no legal standing to challenge his election either. They should have bitched (and I mean bitched) when he applied to get on the ballots.
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Yes, seriously.

You might point out to your birther friends that according to the Constitution, they have no legal standing to challenge his election either. They should have bitched (and I mean bitched) when he applied to get on the ballots.
What do you mean specifically? There's a statute of limitations of some sort to challenge the legitimacy of a candidate?
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What do you mean specifically? There's a statute of limitations of some sort to challenge the legitimacy of a candidate?
Being President isn't a crime, otherwise 'W' would be in jail. The Birthers needed to see that he wasn't elected. They failed (because they are wrong/liars) and now they don't have a case, the whole Federal system has determined that Barack Obama is President of the United States.
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Ridiculous remark. if "O" were found to be not at least 35 yrs of age you are saying he couldnt be removed from office? Or a citizen? or didnt meet any other constitutional requiremet? for sure it would be a constitutional crisis but he would be out.

it is true that we can elect a individual like obma who can wreck the country in only a couple years and there is little that can done about it but if he is found not to meet the constitutional requirements of the presidency he is out and must be.

the birthers are lunatics as it is clear they dont have a case but they were within their rights to demand proof the man was eligible but he provided it so there. we are still stuck with a man that doesnt have any idea what he is doign running the country.
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You certainly think much of President Obama (even if you type his name too fast), thinking he can ruin the country in two years. It took George W. Bush six.

The difference of course is that President Obama is using his superior intellect and education to save this country, not to ruin it. If he does otherwise I imagine the Congress can Impeach and Convict for high crimes and misdeamenors.

And yes I am saying that if Obama was not 35 years old when he was sworn in as president that he would still be President of the United States.

The birthers have been given all the proof they are entitled to. The officials of the State of Hawaii said that Barack Hussein Obama is a United States citizen born in this country and, there being no other form or authority to consult on citizenship, was accepted as such as Constitutionally required by every State of the Union who gave said Senator Obama access to their ballots as a candidate for the office of the President of the United States.
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I would also point out that where Barack Obama was born is irrelevant. If you were born in the United States, you are a Native Born Citizen, not Natural Born Citizen. In order to be considered a Natural born citizen, your parents would have had to have been U.S. Citizens, and you or your parents could not have renounced your citizenship while living outside of the country. If either did, then you would have to be naturalized, and swear your allegiance once more to become a citizen, but natural born does not carry into that citizenship.
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You certainly think much of President Obama (even if you type his name too fast), thinking he can ruin the country in two years. It took George W. Bush six.
youre apparently trying to turn it into a left/right argument. and i clearly stated i think obama is bad and i like bugh so there is no sense in going there. these days about the same # like obama as like bush so people will bump heads on this subject pretty often.

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to tell the truth there seems to be nothing that would suggest he has any superior intellect at all as his administrations a disaster from the first days and pretty much everyone agrees about that except the small segegment of the population that would vote for him under any circumstances what we used to call 'yellow dog democrats'.

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you can say it but it surely isnt true. a man who does not meet the basic qualifications for the presidency if sworn in would be challenged at once in the courts and and the sc has no choice but to rule him out.

it is something that you would consider the constitution null and void with respect to those requirements and it makes me think you dont understand the most basic foundation of the usa. are you from the usa or somewhere else? if you were from somewhere else that is understandable you wouldnt know this.

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i think so too the argument seems awfully dumb at this point. not as dumb as 'truther's but still.
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to tell the truth there seems to be nothing that would suggest he has any superior intellect at all as his administrations a disaster from the first days and pretty much everyone agrees about that except the small segegment of the population that would vote for him under any circumstances what we used to call 'yellow dog democrats'.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/ba...-approval.aspx

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

Just to be clear, that "small segment" of the population would be the 26% with a strong favorable, and the "pretty much everyone" would be the 53% that fall into strong disfavor or disfavor categories?

As for "superior intellect", you could argue either way. President Bush is the only President to ever earn an MBA, so hes clearly not an idiot. However President Obama did earn a law degree from Harvard Law.

President Obama is clearly a better orator, which I think is where most people would judge the relative intelligences. He also doesn't seem to "fire from the hip", where a lot of President Bush's actions seemed spur of the moment.

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you can say it but it surely isnt true. a man who does not meet the basic qualifications for the presidency if sworn in would be challenged at once in the courts and and the sc has no choice but to rule him out.
He's saying the time to challenge the legitimacy was in the years leading up to the election. To my knowledge, I don't think the SC would rule on that. If there was a fraud, the president would have to be impeached by congress, and the VP would take his spot barring any actions taken against him.
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I know Im late to this party but I just happened across this thread and had to point out how stupid
is. There is a vetting process for ANYONE wishing to become POTUS. The Federal Election Commission (FEC), FBI, Secret Service and a few other agencies ALL do vetting. There are legal requirements to become a POTUS and no they dont just let any one in with a "simple ballot" vote. I cant believe people dont know this, did you miss high school social studies or take any political class?

Regardless of your feelings for Obama, he passed the vetting process, legally.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preside...es#Eligibility

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A person who meets the above qualifications is still disqualified from holding the office of president under any of the following conditions:
  • Under the Twenty-second Amendment, no person can be elected president more than twice. The amendment also specifies that if any eligible person who serves as president or acting president for more than two years of a term for which some other eligible person was elected president, the former can only be elected president once. Scholars disagree whether anyone no longer eligible to be elected president could be elected vice president, pursuant to the qualifications set out under the Twelfth Amendment.[39]
  • Under Article I, Section 3, Clause 7, upon conviction in impeachment cases, the Senate has the option of disqualifying convicted individuals from holding other federal offices, including the presidency.[40]
  • Under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Constitution prohibits a person from becoming president who swore an oath to support the Constitution and later rebelled against the United States. However, the Congress, by a two-thirds vote of each house, can remove the disqualification.
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I know Im late to this party but I just happened across this thread and had to point out how stupid http://standupwithpetedominick.com/f...ber.php?u=1135 is. There is a vetting process for ANYONE wishing to become POTUS. The Federal Election Commission (FEC), FBI, Secret Service and a few other agencies ALL do vetting. There are legal requirements to become a POTUS and no they dont just let any one in with a "simple ballot" vote. I cant believe people dont know this, did you miss high school social studies or take any political class?

Regardless of your feelings for Obama, he passed the vetting process, legally.
Welcome to the Fray.

Sorry, I think you are wrong. The Secret Service does NOT vet presidential candidates. They just protect them.

The FBI might investigate candidates, but they don't have a legal authority to deny them access to the ballot.

The FEC is only tasked to make sure candidates campaign according to the laws. They do not limit ballot access.

States control who get on their ballots, and strangely, states decide who are American Citizens.

So Hawaii said that Obama was a natural/native born citizen old enough to run, and every other state accepted that, as they have to do according to the 'full faith and credit clause' of the constitution.
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Being President isn't a crime, otherwise 'W' would be in jail. The Birthers needed to see that he wasn't elected. They failed (because they are wrong/liars) and now they don't have a case, the whole Federal system has determined that Barack Obama is President of the United States.
I actually believe W, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others from W's administration should be prosecuted for war crimes, but then I am a radical leftist.
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I would also point out that where Barack Obama was born is irrelevant. If you were born in the United States, you are a Native Born Citizen, not Natural Born Citizen. In order to be considered a Natural born citizen, your parents would have had to have been U.S. Citizens, and you or your parents could not have renounced your citizenship while living outside of the country. If either did, then you would have to be naturalized, and swear your allegiance once more to become a citizen, but natural born does not carry into that citizenship.
I need to double check some facts on that. Not saying you are wrong, but just want to check the facts, because a close friend of mine was born in Rome when both of his parents, serving in the US Navy, were stationed in Italy.

And I know for a fact he is as much a citizen as me.

A full blooded whack job Libertarian when it comes to politics, but one of my dearest friends and definitely a US citizen.

Actually Trit, you would like N8. Like you, he is a Ron Paul supporter.
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That was educational for me, because I thought the 22nd amendment limited a POTUS to two consecutive elected terms. Now I realize, nope, Clinton cannot come back and run again just because he took a few administrations off.

However, I am still reading your post and understanding that a POTUS could in fact *serve* more than two terms: a sitting POTUS vacates the office for whatever reason, elevating the VPOTUS to the top spot, and then s/he can run for two full terms of his or her own.

Correct?
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